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Name: NWA LEAD 11
Email: The "REAL" Lead 11
Employer: nwa
Station: msp
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 06:08:42 PM
To all. Once again somebody is posting here using my long-time handle. This has happend before and it most likely is by the people who run this board and post most of the posts here under various names. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that the same jerk who responded to the post falsely atributed to me was actually the one who posted in my name.
I highly doubt that. But it's good to see
that you're still working, for now.
Name: let's just get on with it
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station:
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 02:59:05 PM
Why are we just letting job after job go out the door?
We know that in the end AMFA will bring us concessions, so why not get in there
and get if over with and try and mitigate some of these job losses? Steve
MacFarlane is saying that this situation isn't the companies fault and it's not our fault so he suggests we try and work something out and save the jobs we can.
This is just what AMFA and your company wanted to hear. That you're finished fighting. Now AMFA can go ahead and negotiated concessions and say that you wanted them to. So much for the AMFA doesn't negotiate concessions bit, huh?
Name: on the bubble 2
Email: don'tmatter
Employer: NWA
Station: ATL/DTW/???
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 01:03:18 PM
To: On The Bubble, What the fuck is a piece of shit like you doing talking to management about what the negotiators are or aren't doing with our contract? Maybe AMFA doesn't want to let cocksuckers like you know because you would just run to mgmt and spill your guts in between downstrokes!!! If you are truly on the bubble maybe you should try and help out instead of sitting on your ass and criticizing those that aren't doing things exactly like you would like. Assholes like you make me absolutely ILL!!!
Name: NWA LEAD TAMPA
Email: TO THE MORON LEAD 11
Employer:
Station:
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 10:50:26 AM
Yep that line station super senority sure helped me keep my job. Last I checked 1/2 the "Techs" south of the Mason Dixon line use to work in ATL. That would mean when they shut ATL down senority prevailed period. That crappy scene was something you have only watched from the sidelines, we live it everyday. Now MSP is gonna live it. Our take on the Main Base is if you all had gotten to work [1990's] instead of mouthing off on how important you were this all would be a non issue. Irony coming around is the junior laid off "Techs" that wanted AMFA and the retired ones have no control over the current situation yet the both of em caused it. God Speed to us all......
Name: United short-time mechanic
Email:
Employer: United
Station: Home of the Lapdog union
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 07:05:11 AM
It looks like AMFA is about to sell us down the river. Word is they are about to bring back the same piece of crap we previously voted down. I guess Delle wants that million dollar payoff from United.
Name: NWA Lead 11
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 07:01:59 AM
Stop fighting! This fight has nothing to do with the IAM. This is between AMFA and NWA. I agree were in a lousy position, one that AMFA has gotten us into and now has to find a way to get us out of it. The people we should really be criticizing is our former AMFA negotiators who sold this memberships out for the sake of lining their own pockets in retirement, and attempting to give super seniority to line mechanics at out stations. I'm talking about Vic Reminisky and Mike Young and the rest of the Line clowns who sold us down the river. Those folks are the ones we should be upset with. They misled us and lied to us about this, and I quote from Dell "Industry Leading" contract. Jim Young and Jeff Mathews are in a real pickle because of those people. Remember, Dell promised us that AMFA would never negotiate concessions not Young or Mathews.
Name: On the bubble
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station: MSPC
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 03:43:18 AM
So what is AMFA trying to negotiate for us? Mathews and Young say they're going to get us the best contract possible. What is that? A raise? A pay cut and save our job? The old IAM contract back? What? Does anyone know what AMFA's plan is at negotiations? I suspect Young and Mathews don't have a plan and are winging it. That's what my manager says. That AMFA doesn't seem to know what to do so they're just trying to stall and NWA isn't going to let this drag out because they need some relief. So what's the plan AMFA? What were the results of the contract proposals?
Name: The Traveler (with A+P,R+E)
Email:
Employer: Retired aircraft mechanic, you guys are still machine operators.
Station: I'm in the Tropics and I just met a nice young lady today.
Date: Friday March 18, 2005
Time: 12:26:50 AM
~~~~~~~~The IAM passed cards several times and YOU threw them in the garbage and cursed at the people who were trying to save you. The IAM doesn't want you back anymore. The IAM has closed District 149. ~~~~~~~ I didn't just throw my IAM cards in the garbage. First I used them as TP. Also, I was one of the guys that glued my IAM patches (I removed from my shirts) into the urinal in the lav between hangar 7 and the vending machines. (By the pnuematic shop, this was 6 years ago so maybe the layout has changed a bit). And boo hoo the IAM doesn't want us back any more. Just wave a five dollar bill, they'll come running like the filthy harlots that they are. Oh and too bad about Dis-trick 149. Another BIG BOO HOO. I sure hope I didn't have anything to do with that because of my photofunnies. I'd hate to have that on my conscience. What did you kooks think about my DT149 Labor Temple photo? Did you all get copies? The original is shot in 6x4.5 medium format if you want a high quality poster-size copy for your break area in the machine shop. Let me know.
Name: Loyal Union Member
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station: MSP
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 09:36:00 PM
Man in Blue you a re a fucking hypocrite, how can you say the following, “Maybe in your next career you'll get it.....it's about solidarity, unity and the betterment of all. The labor movement is not about selfishness and skill and it's certainly not about me, me, me, me.)”. This website is a slap in the face to all loyal union members. If you truly believed in solidarity this site would not exist. Its only purpose is to strike down people who disagree with your views. If you had half a brain you would know the name of the union means nothing without the support of its members. No airline union in the country has the power to stand up to their employer. The IAM FAILED, TWU FAILED, AMFA FAILED, they all failed because so many employees today are selfish like you. When I see you change posts to your liking and try to peddle it off as the truth, it makes me sick. If need be we can go to the Mechanic bulletin board archives as I posted a copy of a message you altered long ago.
I will say it again THIS SITE IS A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL LOYAL UNION MEMBERS. Shut this site down, save some money, go help a local charity, and stop doing the companies dirty work by helping them divide the work force.
If you're talking
about the NWA work force, as far as we can see, it is divided and your
post reinforces that. Lucky you, to get your
comments posted on the-mechanic bb, too bad no opposing views are allowed there.
If they were this bb wouldn't be necessary.
Name: B.T.D.T.
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 08:39:39 PM
Hey Looking Out for You, glad to see you feel so strongly about what other people should do. I can only thank you for being as you feel so strongly I am confident you will want to help those who carry out your wishes by signing a lease in SFO so those junior techs know they have a place to stay! Personally, I plan to do what is best for me and my family. I am a little too mature to make such a large decision based on what may be worse for the company. You take this far to personal. Have you forgotten NWA is in the business to make money?
Name: Night Hawk
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 07:11:48 PM
The fat lady has sang for me. I'd like to thank Jim Young, Steve MacFarlane, Ray Hayes, Patty Ross, Joe Schomer, Jeff Mathews, Mike Young, Vic Reminisky, Pat Caulkins, and the rest of the AMFA organizing committee for completely screwing us all at NWA by bringing in AMFA. Thanks for the royal boning AMFA!
Name: looking out for you
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 11:08:26 AM
NWA is again filling the airwaves with doom and gloom. "NWA to trim A/C and mechanics". It seems that NWA is poised to eliminate 30 A/C from service in 2005 which could result in 130 mechs. gone by May and a total of 930 A/C related employees from MSP this year. With that said, We must determine the reasoning behind these reductions. NWA stated:
1) the HIGH cost of FUEL
2) FARE competition and
3) an OVERSUPPLY of SEATS.
As you review our contract you will discover that the "SYSTEM LAYOFF PROTECTIONS EXCEPTIONS CLAUSE" pg. 3.12 & 3.13 EXPLICITLY states:1a(1) "SYSTEM" layoff protection does NOT apply to those who do not exercise to the fullest extent in jobs they are qualified and 1a(2) "SYSTEM" layoff protection will NOT apply in the event of a circumstance over which the company has no control some but not all examples are (a)- (i) on pg.3.12
However on pg 3.13 you will find: 1a(3) "The term circumstance over which the company doesn't have control SHALL NOT include any ECONOMIC or FINANCIAL considerations including but not limited to:
(a) the PRICE of FUEL or other supplies
(b) the price of A/C
(c) the state of the ECONOMY
(d) the FINANCIAL state of the COMPANY
(e) the relative PROFITABILITY or UNPROFITABILITY of the COMPANY'S THEN-CURRENT OPERATIONS;or
(f) a shortage of applicants who meet the company's employment standards.
You can clearly see that NWA cannot justify eliminating these positions from the “system” due to their own admission of why they are taking this action (fuel costs, too many seats & competition). Now is the time to play the game. Bump to the very last mech. and force NWA to overstaff a station!! If you are in a permanent mech. positon NWA has to provide you with employment somewhere in the “system” per the contract. Fight them to the very end. It may bring on some hardship to your lives when you are forced to commute but it is the only way to prevent them from permanently reducing our ranks. Now is not the time to be a coward or self-serving. We can create another BOS. situation for the company and hopefully force them to re-examine their operational capability! Our solidarity is our weapon and our strength!!
Bumping around the system? Is this the
"Iron Clad" NO LAYOFF language AMFA promised us?
Name: LAZARUS
Email: EVERY WHERE
Employer: NWA
Station: EVERY WHERE
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 10:07:32 AM
Who remembers farmall, case,oliver...who remembers the milwaulkee road, the soo line, who remembers Alis Chalmers Woolworths, montgomery wards. all of these founding companys were with most of us for decades. so goes United, American Delta, NWA...etc....even the most admired Mohammed Ali, finally fell to the years...This world is always reinventing itself, enter the new regeime.Southwest Jet Blue, Most of the posters on this web site have been employed at our current employeres more years than we care to remember. These winds of change are nothing new to most of us. Instead of bashing our fellow workers on the merits of (my union is better then your union) I suggest you stop and take a look at where all of us will be in 5-10 years (RETIRED)!! Its been a long road thru life, the changes now will be forever, their on a worldly scope and are being driven by those who posess the power to make the changes effecting all of our (sub-middle class) lives...I cant say it enough. this era of aviation maint glory is gone!! the wages the bennies the luster and lure! Its Greyhound bus and their practically gone too..Lets get old gracfully and put more consideration into our non working years than this fist fight NWA wants us into, We as simple labor (CAN NOT WIN this THING)!! It will be a slow and agonizing death for all the old time players...Quit living in the past , start preparing for the future outside of aviation maint, or youll end up with crap on the end of a stick.
We can't win? That is sad. Thank God the last
generation of Union men and women didn't think like you. Or you'd of never
even tasted the "Glory". LOL! Personally I never found any Glory repairing
a shitter or changing a brake.
Name: Delle for President (of China)
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 08:57:28 AM
The only joy I got out of the news yesterday at the Gleason meeting was seeing the long faces on the managers like Timmers. You farmed your own management jobs out too!
Name: Heard this at work today.
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 05:26:11 AM
The latest. AMFA in an attempt to show good faith in negotiations and show that they're not just stalling is considering offering the company a reduced pension for those already retired. The negotiating committee is trying to save their own skin and jobs and as I see it figure they don't have to answer to the retiree's. This wouldn't be the first time Delle and McCormick sold out a group of retirees. At United Delle allowed cuts in medical benefits and is allowing the pension plans to be terminated.
Name: Let's set the record straight
Email:
Employer: aa
Station:
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 01:42:01 AM
delle: "I do not believe in strikes". 1998 msp nwa. delle:"at amfa we do not believe in taking concessions, you are better off in bankruptcy" 2004 tul aa .Both comments were made by delle and video taped by his amfa nuts. Ask any amfa nut to show you the tape and they will probably tell you they don't save the videos.
Name: roy
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station: ord
Date: Thursday March 17, 2005
Time: 12:47:57 AM
this is really something to watch everyone yelling about third party maint being done on our aircraft. this is not new news. i was one of the many reps that went to dc to protest the revision of far 145.done under the reagan admin. you remember reagan most of you probably voted for him. i also remember not seeing amfa at those protests. they really did not care then. we also canvassed our representatives on the hill. remember boschwitz and ramstad. they did not care either. matter of fact most members did not care either. you know now though don't you.jobs are leaving faster than we can keep track. the IAM legislative comm. kept telling you that we must put people in washington that are our friends. our contracts are only as good as the people in dc allow. with a stroke of a pen they can change everything. but that was all IAM bs right. well now the horse is out of the barn and amfa opened the door even wider. i remember members in 99 telling me we want to be like southwest. when i told them what that would be like they laughed at me .well we are here. full pay till the last day. for those of us that are left. who knows i may be heading north again once they close ord.. good luck to all of us.
Name: WINGNUT
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Wednesday March 16, 2005
Time: 11:17:01 PM
BLUE LETTER GUY,,,AS ELVIS WOULD SAY "THANK YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH" [EMPHASIS ADDED],,,, WINGNUT HAS LEFT THE BUILDING!! BUT NOT THE UNION MOVEMENT.
Name: TEMP
Email: thanks mike
Employer: write
Station: gettaset
Date: Wednesday March 16, 2005
Time: 09:30:07 PM
Well listen to the blue ink provider. Are you going to live in the past all your live and blame AMFA for what,s happening in our industry today? (If the shoe fits) The fact is that every airline out there is lloking to save a buck and willing to compromise safety. Regardless of who represents the mechanic's. (No, AMFA is the FARM OUT supporting Association. They negotiate Farm Outs in their contracts) I was an ardent AMFA supporter when they peddled their wares at NWA (Well, that explains it then) and bought in to the concept that mechanics have specialized skills and should be paid accordingly. I still beleive that the only skilled labor at any airline are the pilots and the mechanics, and should be paid accordingly. (So, you're still an idiot and have learned nothing!) Yeah, AMFA has been a big letdown, the national won,t do chit, but don,t you see it,s not about union bashing anymore. I know there are people that post and read this bb that have direct knowledge as to the adverse affects of third party maintainance. Speak up! The administration we have now will allow almost anything that the public won,t know about. The only hope we as technicians have is to raise an outcry and hope that the public see,s what,s goiing on. (Why is that the only hope? You, the professional need help? I thought you said you still think that the Mechanic is one of only two skilled groups in the Industry? If you're so skilled why do you need the public? The IAM never needed the public, they negotiated job protections that included language that did NOT allow farm outs in the NWA contract. The IAM clout for our Mechanic contract came from more than 26,000 IAM members at NWA, which was more than half of the total employees working for NWA ) Is anybody out there that works on airplanes got the balls to speak up? Blue writer, have you seen the chit that comes back from the vendors? Stop blaming AMFA and realize the situation we now face. DOCUMENT (Oh we do sir, we certainly do realize the situation we now face, the only shame of it is that people like you didn't "REALIZE" what you were doing when you helped AMFA Union Bust the Mechanics at Alaska, Northwest, Southwest and United. Let me tell you how much we realize the situation. Read our lips friend....IT IS DONE! CHECK MATE! GAME OVER! It's too late for any of us now. You took too long to figure it out. You couldn't come off your high horse and take a look in the mirror because you were afraid that you might be looking at the problem. We tried to throw AMFA out at Northwest. The IAM passed cards several times and YOU threw them in the garbage and cursed at the people who were trying to save you. The IAM doesn't want you back anymore. The IAM has closed District 149. You got your wish, you're on your own! Yet, even today in your post you still think you're better than others at NWA. Maybe in your next career you'll get it.....it's about solidarity, unity and the betterment of all. The labor movement is not about selfishness and skill and it's certainly not about me, me, me, me.)
Name: Observer
Email:
Employer:
Station: ORD
Date: Wednesday March 16, 2005
Time: 06:19:15 PM
did anyone read the mechanic blurb about the association organizing at INDY? Now they will have to organize EVERYBODY, not just the chosen. Can everyone say AAR is NOT under the RLA. Should be interesting to see the chosen few mingle with the lower classes.
Name: TEMP
Email: buckssnotnovirusesNWA
Employer: common sense
Station: dlh
Date: Wednesday March 16, 2005
Time: 12:45:31 AM
Why don,t u people talk about the real problems facing our class and craft. This isn,t about union representation. Can you say NAFTA, CAFTA, WALMART? Maintainance is being compromised to cut costs and appease stockholders. Why isn,t "Homeland Security" ever brought up when it comes to national security? Why is this a dying profession? Because no one speakes up about what goes on when their work is farmed out. I got called back after 21 months off and was told to install the passenger seats newly arrived from the "vendor" What a joke, not one was serviceable. And why does't the fact that NWA has Isreal doing mods to there 747,s not raise an eyebrow? Are we so politically correct that we allow a middle eastern country to service our airplanes, the very instrument of our destruction on 9/11? Why don,t ya'll bitch about the problem and stop pointing fingers at unions. If you can get past the "he did this" syndrom and maybe get the public educated on how low corporations will go to save a buck, highlight "safety" , then we all got common ground. Anybody out there work on farmed out shit, document it.....
Well, listen to you. Where were you when AMFA was
raiding our industry? Why didn't you speak up at the AMFA informational
meetings? You see, AMFA came into our industry and allowed those
foreigners to work on our aircraft. AMFA changed our IAM contract to allow
FARM OUTS! That's why the people here are bitching. They've figured
it out! You haven't!
Name: Mike Oxbig
Email: inurass@udknowit.com
Employer: Red Ass
Station: All Over
Date: Wednesday March 16, 2005
Time: 12:01:59 AM
Well it now appears that the RED ASS is trying to push all the buttons that they can.....with the announcment of the closing of bay 2b and the subsuquent closing of shops and even more hangars not to mention some 100 or so in line maint that the RED ASS is looking to push the mediator into declaring an impass I would think that this all would be a clear violation of the status quo.....but anywho I will see some 900 to 1200 of you on the bread line at some point. all I can say is I will not roll over for this company and that if they want me gone they will have to go through alot of people as I will not give them what they want (you chose a layoff not to follow your work or exercise your seinority) FUCK NORTHWEST I will not give them what they want.......
Name: Mike
Email:
Employer: the big and little u
Station: SFO
Date: Tuesday March 15, 2005
Time: 01:29:57 PM
So how many of you have written to your representatives in Congress to complain about the lack of oversight in the third party maintenance companies? Your jobs are being undersold. This is how it happens; a contract is given to the lowest bidder, a manpower company that does not check authenticity of documents or just rubber stamps the individual contractor’s (mechanic) documents and apparently does not really know whom the applicant/new employee really is. This person is someone who has not gone through the schools, doesn't pay taxes (individual contractors are responsible for their own taxes and SS), hasn’t had the same government scrutiny as we have (but has the same access to the aircraft that we have and nobody has a clue as to who they really are) and doesn’t pay for the other costs of their counterfeit license and other documents, not to the government at least. The big airlines use these third parties to drive down your wages and cover themselves when the *&it hits the fan as they are doing now. Duck, point and play stupid is the motto of these major carrier corporations. What do the major news out lets have to say-NOTHING; Have you read any articles about this news, and it is big news, in the Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The SF Chronicle, seen anything on TV, anything out of Pat Robertson, he does news. So, what’s the DOT do-NOTHING; what’s the FAA do-NOTHING; what’s the Congress do-NOTHING; what do we do-NOTHING? So do something-tell them, write, call, go to their local office and complain. While your at it (for all the employees of the big and little u) ask your congressman why the biggest ESOP in the country was able to go bankrupt and thousand of employees retirement was disappeared and we didn’t hear a peep out of our government representatives? We at this site need to provoke debate and bring this news to the forefront of the collective American conscious. Tell your family members to complain to the their representatives, tell your friends to complain to the representatives. BB runner thanks for the space to rant
It's always been our pleasure and we feel it's a duty to
give real Union people a place to vent when the-mechanic decided to censor you.
Name: WINGNUT
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Tuesday March 15, 2005
Time: 11:55:48 AM
BIG DOG, I'LL ASK YOU RIGHT UP FRONT, WHAT'S THE STORY ON THE CONPANY ATTORNY'S CAR? AND AS FOR W-O-F-Y ,,,IF YOU AIN'T MAN ENOUGH TO WALK UP TO BIG DOG AND ASK HIM WHAT'S GOING ON, AND WHAT'S THIS SHIT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING YOU,,, SOUNDS LIKE A COMMIE,PINKO, PLOT TO ME. JUST GO SIT IN THE CORNER AND SHUT UP LITTLE GIRL.
Hi Wingnut and congratulations!
Name: Watching out for You
Email: Everywhere
Employer: NWA
Station: Everywhere
Date: Monday March 14, 2005
Time: 07:40:27 PM
To the big dog: You still haven't figured it out. When are you going to pick a side and stick with it. You have played both sides so long. And all the tough talk, when your out of work and you should not be straining yourself.!! Was it a "set" of ____s that made you get into the Company attorney's car at the MSP hotel in 1999, instead of the Union reps car, that was waiting to pick you up. That in my opinion was 'crossing the line'. You may try to dazzle some, but we've been watching you from a distance for some time. The yellow on amfa's new logo would go great with the stripe on your back. This fourm is for people that can keep it straight. Not deceivers and low-life's.
Name: roy
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station: ord
Date: Sunday March 13, 2005
Time: 11:59:31 PM
will someone explain to me why now dell is threatening to go to court about the pension plans at united.A couple of months ago he said United had to get rid of the pension plans to stay afloat. this guy is just a riot.good luck to us.
Name: sparks
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station: dtw
Date: Sunday March 13, 2005
Time: 02:04:15 PM
one minute were scremed at by amfa reps for rumors,and then after 4 days of neogotiations in detroit,no updates.has amfa lost their minds.cant handle the pressure so we are just going to ignore everything.im still working so it doesnt hurt me but what about the 3445 men on layoff who voted for you, .many still think their coming back.
Name: rivet
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station: To Traveler
Date: Saturday March 12, 2005
Time: 04:45:20 PM
You are certainly one dis-orientated and mis-informed person. We are all relieved that you and your attitude are not working on a/c anymore. The current facts are the IAM has been gone for seven years. AMFA and only AMFA can be blamed for this current disaster at NWA. Please read a news paper once in awhile and try to stay current. Your frivolous rantings would amount to our present government trying to blame Clinton for the 2004 budget deficit. By the way Clinton is not our president anymore. Try and get up to speed. . .
Name: EL Presidente
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station: Seattle
Date: Saturday March 12, 2005
Time: 10:18:03 AM
Hey Tired, Stop by the leads desk and see me, I have an IAM card you can sign, lets get these guys out of here before they destroy whats left of our profession!................................................................................ Name: Tired Email: Employer: UAL Station: SEATTLE Date: Wednesday March 09, 2005 Time: 10:14:05 PM Comments Just started to read this BB. I am very disappointed in the LL that supports this station. Several of the officers which are now on layoff do not even believe in unions. We had officer's that watched supervisors do work and called it training. Our day at a time vacations are no longer guaranteed, they are up to the supervisor and the requirements of the needed manpower for that night, this is due to an AMFA officer complaining so much last year to management. He did not get several nights off. Some officer's allow the contract to be violated if it benefits them. Oh and please don't question there decisions. But the biggest thing for the LL officers here at UAL in Seattle, is they can blame the IAM on all of there shortcomings and their inability to do there jobs. That's par for the course with AMFA.
Name: Big Dog
Email: Bigdog58@gmail.com
Employer: On Medical Leave
Station: MSP
Date: Saturday March 12, 2005
Time: 03:53:22 AM
It's odd that I haven't seen anyone talking about the Strike at Lockheed in Marietta, GA. Lockheed Workers Start Strike - Check the article linked below: http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=59958 After NWA shutdown the ATL Maint. Base, quite a few of my friends that accepted the layoff, instead of chasing their jobs all over the country, thought that they were extremely fortunate to land a job at Lockheed. It now seems that these friends are now on Strike. One of my close friends called me Wed. and let me know the Strike had begun and that he'd be walking the picket line the following day. He said that he had been told that approx. 250 people had crossed over and SCABBED. Even though it is NOT a Closed shop, and not everyone is required to join the Union, another gift from the Republican's, but regardless of their union status, if they Cross the Picket Line they are now OFFICIALLY SCABS. I just hope that the people walking the line keep explicit records of the low-life's, and that once this is settled and the "Good Guy's" return to work, they will remember the ways of our forefathers and that they be sure to properly thank those selfish scumbags that Scabbed. I will have no sympathy to anyone that is an Official Scab, and I pray that I'm not ever put in a position to have to work side by side with one of these lower than whale fecal matter people. If any of you good Union Strikers need help, please feel free to write me or post here. I'll do everything in my power to help you, and should you need advice on how to handle yourself when having to confront a SCAB, feel free to ask. I wish all the Men and Women that are standing up for their beliefs and for demonstrating their union affiliation, the very best. I don't know about the rest of the people here, but, This Old Dog is behind you 100%. Stand Tall and Stay Strong (Right is Mite) Big Dog PS: I just wished that some of the people in airtransport had the determination you all at Lockheed-Martin Marietta have! I believe it's called INTESTINAL FORTITUDE and Sometimes called "Having a Set of Balls"
Name: Lazy U
Email:
Employer: ual
Station: sfo o cares
Date: Saturday March 12, 2005
Time: 01:03:46 AM
Name: Untied Email: Employer: United Station: sfomm Date: Thursday March 10, 2005 Time: 06:51:28 PM Comments Why don't they just liquidate so we can all get on with our lives? The Loco #9 officers are in a fog. Most are busy working side deals with management. so what is keeping you from quiting the lazy U?
Name: Observer
Email:
Employer:
Station: ORD
Date: Friday March 11, 2005
Time: 09:21:50 PM
Interesting comments on INDY. Were the many so naieve to think the bankruptcy judge was some benevolent uncle that he was going to ignore bankruptcy laws, rules, history and give the little people something that was pure fiction? Where were all those amfa professional advisers to speak the truth, to show LEADERSHIP, AND LEAD, in a time of crisis. Was the atmosphere at UAL so poisoned by the amfa zealots against the IAM and the company, that the thought was "we will show them"? False bravado......speak out even though you don't have a clue had to be the word on the floor and in the shops. Now many have suffered, and will continue to suffer. This shoulld be a lesson to all, if we are really paying attention.
Name: The Traveler (with A+P,R+E)
Email:
Employer: Not in the last 5 years
Station: That means that I'm retired you knuckleheads.
Date: Friday March 11, 2005
Time: 12:46:18 PM
~~~~~~~~ Hopefully there will be a new movement back into the labor movement and a rebuilding of our craft someday soon.~~~~~~~ Oh yeah? Then why did Dis-trick 149 (and Dis-trick 141m) disband? Won't you kooks need all that power to "rebuild our craft"? You kooks are machine operators, a job which is needed by your employer. And you are just pissed because you lost your sense of importance/stature that any good cult-group gives a few members to turn them into henchmen. You never really had any power and neither did the Dis-tricks or the IAM.
You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're just another
amfanut trying to divert the discussion away from the real problem and that's
our lack of representation by AMFA. You're an NWA Mechanic? You've
been AMFA for 7 years and you still are whining about the IAM? Do you
think you're better off today "Traveler"? What about the thousands of lost
jobs at NW and your carrier is not in Bankruptcy like United and USAIR?
What will the NWA Mechanics ranks look like after a Bankruptcy by your carrier
compared to the rest of the industry? You'll be lucky to have a couple
traveling mechanics based out of Detroit. It puzzles me that you have time to
make up stories about the IAM when you're ship is sinking with AMFA.
Name: living history
Email:
Employer:
Station: Indianapolis, IN
Date: Friday March 11, 2005
Time: 11:28:02 AM
As you rewrite history, let us look at what really happened in Indy. Did 900 people choose not to move for a bankrupt company and take the lay-off? YES. Did some 2200 TWENTY TWO HUNDRED mechanics vote for no concessions $35.00 per hour down to $32.00 per hour? YES. Did the amfa leadership in INDY state “the bankruptcy judge would treat us more fairly then the present union (IAM) and the company: YES. Did United file for bankruptcy within days of the mechanics voting? YES. Did this start the down ward spiral of job loss in Indy for united? YES. Would united been in front off the bankruptcy judge if the mechanics Indy voted for concessions ($35.00 to $32.00)? Debatable. History is History. NOW current leaders of AMFA are mute on their own negotiations and how their own members should vote on a concessionary contract. I can fully understand this looking at their prior history. i.e. “the bankruptcy judge would treat us more fairly then the present union (IAM) and the company”. The mechanics in Indy have to look in the mirror and understand one thing they made their choices. Bad advice or not. They bare some responsibility in this mess. If they learn one thing in this it should be, do not let other people make life-changing decisions for you. One final question. Are you better off going to the bankruptcy judge? Good luck at AAR. Tried to Post on the mechanic (we will see)
I suppose that's the real moral of the story from
Alaska, Northwest, Horizon, and Southwest people made their decision to vote for
AMFA even with the dark history of the organization and the same goes for our
members here at United. It's a travesty that so many jobs had to be lost.
Hopefully there will be a new movement back into the labor movement and a
rebuilding of our craft someday soon.
Name: Untied
Email:
Employer: United
Station: sfomm
Date: Thursday March 10, 2005
Time: 06:51:28 PM
Why don't they just liquidate so we can all get on with our lives? The Loco #9 officers are in a fog. Most are busy working side deals with management.
Name: Glad i'm not Timco
Email: Same
Employer: nOT tIMCO
Station: NOT TIMCO
Date: Thursday March 10, 2005
Time: 03:47:23 PM
HEY THAT'S JUST A SIGN OF THING TO COME. THE FAA CAN'T KEEP TRACK OF PEOPLE WHO BELONG IN THIS COUNTRY HOW ARE THEY GOING TO KEEP UP WITH PEOPLE WHO WORK FOR TIMCO.THE SAD THING ABOUT ALL OF THIS IS EVERYONES SAFTEY IS AT RISK.PEOPLE BETTER TAKE THIS STUFF SERIOUS. EVERYTIME YOU STEP ON AND AIRPORT YOU BETTER LOOK OVER YOUR SHOLDER WHEN YOU GO THOUGH THE SECURITY DOOR. BUT THE BIG DOGS DON'T THINK IT'S A PROBLEM.YEA RIGHT KEEP DREAMING.YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR... LIKE THE OLD FRAM COMMERICAL SAID YOU CAN PAY ME NOW OR YOU CAN PAY ME LATER. AND OF COURSE MANAGEMENT DOES NOT KNOW A THING SOUND FAMILIAR. THESE PEOPLE GIVE AND ALL NEW MEANING TO STUPID.LIKE THEY DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO AIRCRAFT. MAKES YOU WONDER WHEN YOU ARE STRAPPED IN YOUR SEAT GETTING READY FOR TAKEOFF HUH?
Name: Tired
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station: SEATTLE
Date: Wednesday March 09, 2005
Time: 10:14:05 PM
Just started to read this BB. I am very
disappointed in the LL that supports this station. Several of the officers which are now on layoff do not even believe in unions. We had
officer's that watched supervisors do work and called it training. Our day at a time vacations are no longer
guaranteed, they are up to the supervisor and the requirements of the needed manpower for that night, this is due to an AMFA officer complaining so much last year to management. He did not get several nights off. Some officer's allow the contract to be
violated if it benefits them. Oh and please don't question there decisions. But the biggest thing for the LL officers here at UAL in Seattle, is they can blame the IAM on all of there shortcomings and
their inability to do there jobs.
That's par for the course with AMFA.
Name: PRINCESS KIDAGAKASH
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Date: Wednesday March 09, 2005
Time: 10:11:11 PM
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Name: Professor
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Date: Wednesday March 09, 2005
Time: 10:09:25 PM
27 airport workers are arrested on charges of using counterfeit documents GREENSBORO - Federal officials yesterday arrested 27 workers at the Piedmont Triad International Airport for using counterfeit documents, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement said. The suspects, whose home countries include Sudan, Chile, Peru, Zimbabwe, the Philippines, Venezuela, Mexico and Laos, worked for contract-labor companies who supply workers to TIMCO, a company that performs maintenance on passenger and cargo aircraft. Federal officials said in a release that TIMCO was not a target and is fully cooperating in the ongoing investigation, dubbed "Operation Fly By." An airport spokeswoman referred calls to the U.S. attorney's office, where no one was immediately available for comment yesterday. The 27 arrested were charged with administrative violations of immigration law and will face in deportation proceedings, the release said. Federal officials said they have no reason to believe that any of the individuals arrested were involved in or planning any terrorist activity.
Name: Jack Ace
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station: ORD
Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 11:40:13 PM
Indianapolis (Star report) -- AAR Aircraft Services of Indianapolis was awarded an exclusive five-year heavy maintenance contract by United Airlines on the Chicago carrier's Boeing 737 fleet, AAR spokesman Chris Mason said Monday. AAR, based in Wood Dale, Ill., leases space in the massive maintenance hub built by United at Indianapolis International Airport in the early 1990s with $300 million in public money. United employed 1,200 at the hub before closing it in 2003. AAR expects to hire 200 more employees, bringing its complement to 400 in Indianapolis. The first 737s will come in this month for airframe maintenance. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Working your own planes in the same building for less that half of what you use to make. I guess it's a dream come true for you folks. I hope you're happy now.
Name: Professor
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Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 10:40:12 PM
NWA and AMFA were to have met in Detroit today according to AMFA Negotiations Update #10. http://www.amfanatl.org/Pages/06_News&Information/NWA/NWA-NEG%20Update%20%2310.pdf What happened? What has happened to this website?
Name: Professor
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Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 10:26:29 PM
NWA chief pushes for pension changes March 7, 2005 LIZ FEDOR MINNEAPOLIS STAR TRIBUNE MINNEAPOLIS -- Like many airline executives, Doug Steenland believes that airlines can no longer afford traditional pensions for employees. The Northwest Airlines CEO has won some early support from the airline's pilots for pension changes. But persuading Congress and other employees that the defined-benefit pension is a relic of the regulated era, when airlines could set prices to ensure a profit, will be more difficult. In October, Northwest, the dominant carrier at Metro Airport, said its pension plans were underfunded by $3.75 billion. http://www.freep.com/money/business/nwapensions7e_20050307.htm
Name: Professor
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Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 10:25:18 PM
AAR today announced that it has been selected by United Airlines to be the exclusive provider of heavy maintenance for United Airlines' fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft. Under the terms of the five-year agreement, AAR will operate up to four maintenance lines at AAR Aircraft Services - Indianapolis, its maintenance, repair and overhaul (MRO) operation located at the Indianapolis International Airport. http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050307/cgm012_1.html
Name: Observer
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Station: ORD
Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 11:44:44 AM
just read an interesting info on AAR doing the United 737 heavy maintenance at INDY. Wasn't that one of the amfa zealot stations that helped rid UAL amt's of the IAM? I would expect that the zealots would be out there in INDY organizing, you guys know how to grass roots organize don't you? Naw you know how to raid, insult, inuendo, smear and all that other fine kool-aid drinking stuff, but organize on your own time with no pay, for the love of unionism, I don't think so, it is below your station in life whatever that is.
Name: Need Help
Email:
Employer:
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Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 11:21:50 AM
I have a question about these proposals. What if we don't want them at all? In the format they're in we can only vote on priority, low,medium or high. Some of these proposals read like they were submitted by the Company! If they were submitted by our members then they haven't learned anything yet. It's not about me me me me me it's about what's best for all of us! Some of the Line Station proposals are completely ridiculous. You would think that a Line Mechanic in Portland would realize that if the Main Base Mechanics don't keep their jobs then the Line Mechanic will be gone during the bumping.
Name: Found Dell
Email: He's MIA
Employer: per his Secretary
Station:
Date: Tuesday March 08, 2005
Time: 10:04:20 AM
Where's Dell? Has anybody seen Dell? I keep calling the National and he's never there. The secretary told me that the National Officers check their messages daily but don't work out of that office. I asked where they work out of and she said, "I really don't know, it's none of my business." I said "It's none of your business and you work for them?" Then she said, "Yeah, that's what Kevin and Dell told me, can you believe that?" I said, "Hmmm, sadly, I can."
Name: now
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Monday March 07, 2005
Time: 12:23:11 PM
haven for cronyisum?? like president for life dell . selective memory ? remember the T/A there are a lot more EXmembers that would still be here 3 years waiting and amfa telling us its all about the language. i dont want the iam back i want the members back there is strength in numbers the iam did try to tell us that.
Name: P O'd in DTW
Email:
Employer:
Station: Bloody rear end
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 11:07:26 PM
ATL- MSP- DTW & getting ready to move on again. Nothing like stability I always say. I haven't visited here for awhile, it seems that the latest trend of conversation is how tough the scamfa folks are. No concessions! Only legally imposed ones! Funny thing is, you still ain't getting the cash but the scammers are. My dues here are more then double the amount I ever paid the IAM. What's a little assessment here or there but not everybody is paying are they? I don't mind paying but I don't think I am getting a good bang for the bucks. Trying to get info here is nearly impossible. They call newspaper articles union up dates. In Jan. airline rep. Neal Husslebucks told us the best thing that could happen to us is for NWA to go bankrupt. He means its the best thing for scamfa because if the judge cuts your pay they will claim it ain't their fault & you get to keep on paying for not too much representation. For the folks who think the guys today ain't tough enough to fight the corporations, maybe you're right but the "old timers" were not alone. They often had political clout to get the job done. That is gone now. We are now in a time in organized labor, similar to the pre-depression days in this country, The government is not our friend & those who elected them (maybe some of the scamfaholics) do not like us. Maybe things will be better after China takes over, if you believe that you probably drink the purple stuff everyday.
Name: United Mechanic
Email:
Employer: United
Station: SFOMM
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 08:57:06 PM
Just saw on the United Airlines Yahoo Message board that Tilton may try another merger with US Airways, and may come within eighteen months. That might be one way to get amfa out at United. Please come back Scotty!!!!
Name: Deuce Dadson
Email: duecer@yahoo.com
Employer: nunya
Station: bizness
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 02:11:00 PM
You guys are a joke. It's been years now, and you haven't gotten over it. If anything, your strident support for a long gone and still decrepit union (IAM) has the effect of being anti-union. The IAM was a haven for cronyism, and you know it.
You dick-bags probably all voted for Bush too. Seriously, how many of you idiots voted for a tax cut for Steenland (vote for GOP)?
Morons, whatever happened to solidarity, fighting the good fight?
You should lay off the Kool aid. We wish we
were IAM and none here voted for Bush. More likely to be true
would be this statement: "You probably voted for AMFA, Concessions
in 1993, AMFA's 38% Farm Out language, Ronald Reagan, Bush I, Bush II
and deny it all."
Name: one of the guys
Email: lol
Employer: NWA
Station: linestation
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 09:10:28 AM
Name: Noonan
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 08:59:22 AM
Comments
We voted NO to concessions and YES to strike and Dell took it on himself to give the concessions and refused the members will to strike. If Dell had let us strike concessions at Airlines would of come to a head and one way or another it we would of ended it! But instead, were taking the concession, and I don't even know why we voted.
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Did you forget that their is a judge who said that you need to take the concessions???? It wasn't Dell. You guys sure do have a selective memory, must be all the drugs over the years. Do you get drug tested?????
You're the one who needs the drug test. If I remember correctly
and it's posted below on this page, you were still attempting to claim
that AMFA has never negotiated concessions. I agree with Noonan.
By accepting wage cuts whether negotiated or imposed without striking is
accepting concessions because you still have an option out if you really
don't want them. It's called a Strike and we authorized it.
Why did we take a strike vote if it meant nothing? Just think what
could of happened had we not authorized the strike? UAL and the
Judge would of owned us!
Name: Night Line
Email:
Employer: Nwa
Station: MSP
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 08:53:02 AM
Isn't it Ironic that the AMFAnuts are finally realizing that what they really want is the good ole IAM, TWU and IBT? Listen to the comments from Sanderson, look at the proposals submitted by the NWA membership asking for USAIR's farm out language. Look at the reversal on recall rights at NWA. It only took the fools 6 years and 6,000 lost jobs to realize that they were the problem at NWA. You can blame the floor management too, they hated the IAM because the IAM enforced our contract so they did all they could to encourage AMFA and it's supporters, now they're out of a job too! Ironic!
Name: Big Dog
Email: Bigdog58@gmail.com
Employer: On Medical Leave
Station: MSP
Date: Sunday March 06, 2005
Time: 07:05:50 AM
Sorry for repost, I hit send before finishing my email addressI t appears the Farmout's are Nationwide, and with no boundries on skills, experience, aptitude, or even common sense. It appears that NASCAR has finally broken the mold and will be racing this Sunday in Mexico, City. I guess I'll have some free time that I didn't expect get... Read and Cry...Boo hoo... In an attempt to appeal to new fans, company will run first race in Mexico When NASCAR Nextel Cup driver Jeff Burton fired up his car's engine before taking a test drive at Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez in Mexico City last month, the spectators were not used to hearing the loud roar of stock cars. ( Excerpt from here http://www.thatsracin.com/mld/thatsracin/sports/motorsports/11041907.htm Fraternally, Big Dog Big Dog
Name: Poor United Mechanic
Email:
Employer:
Station: SFOMM
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 12:52:43 PM
The feelings around SFO is that anything that is brought back will be accepted. May of the former "B scalers" are running scared. You win Glen and Jake.
Name: Retired IAM
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 10:20:42 AM
Concessions begat concessions. Every group cowered before airline management, accepted cuts, and allowed executives time to arrange more outsourcing. "This assistance by Mechanics" and their unions was a necessary element to reduce in-house maintenance...and it was provided by "weak and timid union members". The leverage of Airline Mechanics and Related is now greatly diminished...and the primary culprit is "Mechanic cowardice"...period. - TM ...................................................
Even this union hater/buster (TM) recognizes now who (he) was the real problem in the mechanic work group over the last 20 years in the airline industry. He and delle supplied the divide and conquer bullets management used against us. He was one of the most unity destroying forces delle used to destroy the "we and us" of unionism and substitute the "they and them" of the scamfa fraud which is now destroying the mechanic work place in the airline industry. Scamfa will continue it's destruction untill mechanics once again learn the meaning of we and us !............................................
I finally found something to agree on with this delle union buster!!!!!!!!
We couldn't agree more, Sanderson was a tool used
by the ATA, Delle Femine and Airline Management to break the Unions and
destroy unity and solidarity.
Name: Observer
Email:
Employer:
Station: ORD
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 09:56:23 AM
for a little nostalgia and information.......NWA was the biggest user and abuser of the infamous "Mutual Aid" pact. NWA was on strike more times than anyone else who was in that pact. If I remember correctly one of those times that NWA was on strike, it might have been an ALPA strike, they turned a profit. So NWA has always been a tough company with the labor groups.......and now they are having THEIR way with the association.
Name: Noonan
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 08:59:22 AM
We voted NO to concessions and YES to strike and Dell took it on himself to give the concessions and refused the members will to strike. If Dell had let us strike concessions at Airlines would of come to a head and one way or another it we would of ended it! But instead, were taking the concession, and I don't even know why we voted.
Name: Right Coast
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station:
Date: Saturday March 05, 2005
Time: 08:54:12 AM
To one of the guys: AMFA accepted concessions right here at UAL when they didn't go on strike to stop them! Instead they took them right up the Keyster.
Name: bms5-95b1/2
Email:
Employer: a---s---a----
Station:
Date: Friday March 04, 2005
Time: 10:48:59 PM
to: one of the boys-------open wide, insert one number 12 1/2 tripple eee'''!!!!!!
Name: IAM Retiree
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Friday March 04, 2005
Time: 11:30:46 AM
Name: one of the guys Email: lol Employer: NWA Station: linestation Date: Thursday March 03, 2005 Time: 11:03:59 PM Comments Hey blue letter guy,, Do you really believe that amfa has any pull with any judge?? get real, you know why there is no strike at United. So tell me where the amfa guys have agreed to concession. I've been in the IAM for along time, even before NWA.................. I wish the IAM still had the balls they had back in the early eighties, but they don't, I wish they did because we need someone to stay up to NWA and the other airlines....................... This last sentence is exactly why we (IAM) don't want you back........You just don't get it.......You don't know how to,nor want to, include yourself in a union.......You don't know how to say we and us.........You forever want someone else to carry your water....That is how the cancer of scamfa got started and has maintained itself since 1962.......The IAM is us and we........It is not some office building with a staff in it........When you get some balls then the IAM will have balls because "we" are the union........ The union is not they or them......GET IT ??????????? It is "WE" and "US" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Name: Conveniently forgotten
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Employer:
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Date: Friday March 04, 2005
Time: 07:06:30 AM
I find it funny that Steenland was able to mislead the Star Trib again about NWA's pension contributions. He conveniently forgot to tell the writer that when the market was doing good NWA didn't have hardly any contributions to make to our plans. He also forgot to say that when this economy turns around once again NWA will not have this huge obligation. I also find it hard to believe that when times were good the company didn't fully fund it but let it slide to the under funded monkey it is today.
Name: wulfman
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station:
Date: Friday March 04, 2005
Time: 06:55:48 AM
To the guy trying to get the goat of the ones here left at nwa by saying things like we are weak and spineless. I want to here and now qualify some facts and quote a leader who after saving England from ruin, was voted out of office when things turned better. A lot of the clowns who brought this pox upon us are guys who never worked in the real world and this was their first job. Everything they enjoyed they took for granted and did not know what had happened in the past to get the pay and beni's they enjoyed. Like all spoiled children they pissed it away thinking that everyone in the world had the same beni's that they did, when they lost their job here and had to go find another means of employment, suddenly realized that the rest of the world didn't offer the same things because no one ever
organized and fought for the things they took for granted here. As for the UAL guys, we told you from experience what was happening here yet you dummies went and bought the toothless snake oil salesman pitch hook line and sinker, now didn't you? We didn't have the luxury of the scamfas history to show the dummies who voted to bring this cancer on us what they were all about. So go easy on the bashing of us left here for now most of the ding a lings who voted for these clowns are real silent and a the rest are unemployed now! Now for the quote. Wiston Churchill stated "It takes centuries to build and days to destroy" Now ain't that what the scamfa is doing to the mechanic in this industry? One last thing, you know what AMFA really stands for? A-nother M-echanic F-ree A-irline!
You want a job as an AMFANATOR? We couldn't
of said it better.
Name: nwa
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Friday March 04, 2005
Time: 01:10:08 AM
watching guys go out the door its sad not even a dough nut from amfa
No Donuts AMFA
Name: bms 5-95b1/2
Email:
Employer: all scab airlines--- asa
Station: seatacucky
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 11:16:46 PM
to one of the guys- I think you are too young to remember cobra airlines, those were real men and women, we all owe the cobra boys- men, real men and women whom busted up the mutual aid pact, if they're still around-- thank's
Name: one of the guys
Email: lol
Employer: NWA
Station: linestation
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 11:03:59 PM
Hey blue letter guy,,
Do you really believe that amfa has any pull with any judge?? get real, you know why there is no strike at United. So tell me where the amfa guys have agreed to concession.
I've been in the IAM for along time, even before NWA. I wish the IAM still had the balls they had back in the early eighties, but they don't, I wish they did because we need someone to stay up to NWA and the other airlines.
I don't know why there's no strike here at United.
Tell me. We still don't know why Delle didn't take us out.
Name: Another Mechanic Free Airline
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 09:59:43 PM
American Airlines is planning an ambitious overhaul of its maintenance base in Tulsa, which airline and union leaders hope will generate $500 million in cost savings and revenue from outside contracts. Fort Worth-based American wants to turn the base -- among the largest aircraft maintenance facilities in the world -- into a profit center rather than a cost drain. To that end, airline management enlisted the help of an unlikely ally -- leaders of the union representing mechanics and other ground workers. "We have the same goals as management," said Dennis Burchette, president of Local 514 of the Transport Workers Union, which represents Tulsa workers. "We want a strong airline that will provide secure jobs." The airline hopes that many of the practices pioneered in Tulsa will eventually be put into practice in American's other maintenance bases, at Alliance Airport in Fort Worth and in Kansas City. Management and Tulsa union officials briefed employees on the plan Thursday during two lengthy meetings at the sprawling maintenance operation, which employs 7,000 workers. Thousands of employees filled a cavernous aircraft hangar and listened as Burchette and Carmine Romano, American's vice president of maintenance at the Tulsa base, outlined the goals, their images blown up on two giant video screens. "We have the best mechanics in the world here," Romano said. "That's a great asset, and other airlines will pay for it." American began the meeting with a news clip from CNN. The crowd fell silent as the clip discussed an ominous trend for mechanics -- the outsourcing of aircraft maintenance to independent companies, many based overseas. If successful in attracting outside business, American would be the only major airline to be adding a substantial amount of maintenance work rather than cutting. "We're bucking a trend here," Burchette said. If achieved, the cost cuts and revenue gains would provide much-needed relief for a company that has been struggling to return to profitability. American has lost $7.2 billion since 2000, including $761 million last year. Those losses have come despite nearly three years of aggressive cost cutting, which included $1.8 billion in employee concessions. Many of those gains were wiped out by rising fuel prices, which cost American more than $1 billion last year. The $500 million projection "sounds like it could be aggressive, but achievable," said airline industry analyst Ray Neidl of Calyon Securities, who projects American will lose $360 million in 2005. American spends about $1 billion a year on aircraft maintenance and overhaul. It would a "very significant" achievement, Neidl said, if the airline could reap savings and revenues of that magnitude in a single year. The Tulsa plan, which officials hope to achieve by the end of 2006, focuses on a variety of changes at the base, including: * Improving the time it takes to do heavy maintenance checks by up to 50 percent. * Reducing the number of mechanics needed for light maintenance work. * Cutting costs by cutting waste and reducing a slew of inefficient practices. * Using the extra capacity generated by the cost cuts to take on outside contracts, and bring back maintenance work that American had previously outsourced. Some of the efforts have been under way for more than a year.
Name: Tiger
Email:
Employer:
Station: To My Fellow NWA AMFA Professionals
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 08:33:34 PM
Dear Fellow Professionals, While you're reading your layoff notices during the next couple weeks please be sure and remind yourselves that your vote for AMFA is the reason you're losing your job. It didn't have to be this way but I told you so.
Name: one of the guys
Email: nope.com
Employer: NWA
Station: line station
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 05:17:44 PM
Name: BMS5-95B1/2
Email:
Employer: ESKEEMO
Station: SEATACUCKY
Date: Wednesday March 02, 2005
Time: 10:40:48 PM
your an idiot,
First,, cobra airlines is the term your looking for, NWA got that name because all of it's union would strike at anything. Not just the mechanics. Second this group of mechanics has yet been really tested when it comes to strike time. Will have to see how that goes. Third, please list the AMFA mech's that have voted in a pay cut like the IAM boys at USAir or the TWU boys at AA. At least the AMFA guys at United voted no to concession,, it's the judge that made them take the cut
Spoken like a true AMFA believer. The judge
did it. If the AMFA boys voted NO to a pay cut and YES to a strike
and really meant what they said, then why didn't AMFA strike? Face
it, we all knew that Delle, wouldn't take us out on strike so it was
easy to vote NO and blame the judge. For all we know Delle had
this whole thing set up with the judge. Remember the story of the
rabbit and the brier patch? The rabbit said "Oh please do anything
you want but don't throw me into the brier patch" and the rabbit
made an easy get away. Delle
probably said, "Judge if we vote we'll say NO unless, and please
please don't do it, don't impose wage and benefit cuts on us because
there will be nothing we can do about it.
Name: GAME OVER!
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station:
Date: Thursday March 03, 2005
Time: 02:13:27 PM
Now the Line "Gods" get to feel the pain that their AMFA contract language has caused the rest of us. 30 to 100 will be laid off according to John Bendorites, and that's just the beginning. I hope you Line Gods learn how to buck a rivit so you can qualify in the hangers, where we do real maintenance with a wrench and rivit gun. You're stupidity bringing AMFA in here has cost us thousands upon thousands of lost jobs and now you're finding out your not as important as you thought. ESE's are going to be doing a lot of your work, push backs and walk-a-rounds. Where's your AMFA now?
Name: BMS5-95B1/2
Email:
Employer: ESKEEMO
Station: SEATACUCKY
Date: Wednesday March 02, 2005
Time: 10:40:48 PM
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO THE COBRA BOYS? YOU KNOW, THE ONES THAT WOULD STRIKE AT ANYTHING!! BACK IN THE 60'S AND 70'S, NORTHWEST MECH.S WERE ADMIRED BY THE REST OF US, NOW THE'RE A BUNCH OF WEAK KNEE BUNCH OF PUSSYS, LEAD AROUND BY THE NOSE BY SOME NO-ACCOUNT, LOW LIFE'S CALLED "amfa ". WHEN ARE YOU GUYS GOING TO STAND UP AND GET A REAL UNION???????
What happened to the Cobra Boys? They got
AMFA, now NWA's Mechanics are the Yellow Belly Boys.
Name: Hackberry Jim
Email:
Employer: AA
Station: DFW
Date: Wednesday March 02, 2005
Time: 04:12:33 PM
"Amfa Dan " Cunningham spotted in Shreveport, La. aboard the gambling ship Tres Amigoes spending most of his pay-pal account on slots that weren't paying off like he'd hoped. Pass the can for this poor fool, one more time.
Name: Tired Of this Shit
Email: Same
Employer: Same
Station: SAME
Date: Wednesday March 02, 2005
Time: 03:18:13 PM
Did you see what U.S airways VIP's got Man when is this Shit going to stop.They ask us for money and they are still getting there's even though the airlines are suppose to be hurting. The Question is when is the Government going to wake up.Oh i forgot the Government is in the bed with these CEO's. Everyone see's what's going on here. When will it all stop. I tell you when we stand up to these jackoff's like they do over sea's. When one airline goes out the whole country goes out that the only way we can stop this bullshit.Enough is enough. they say they are hurting but they give these Vip's all this money.. Hey you guys that run this web site you ever though that it might be mangement that messing this site up. Maybe they don't want us to unite. And kick there ass. It sure is not AMFA they don't have the brain to do that.If they want a low cost airline than give it to them. Stand up and unite don't take anymore of this bullshit. Someone with some balls please respond so i can sleep tonight.
Name: Laney
Email: Laney512@hotmail.com
Employer: NWA
Station: MSP
Date: Tuesday March 01, 2005
Time: 09:18:03 AM
I just have one question. Has anyone on the system seen Dell? I haven't seen him since 1998. This is for any Airline. I just want to know if he's still alive.
Name: still out
Email:
Employer: nwa
Station:
Date: Sunday February 27, 2005
Time: 08:20:30 PM
The only crawling creatures on this earth, that are lower than a snake belly, is dildo delle and his amfa pukes, they can crawl on their bellies closer to the ground than a snake. . Maybe someone will do us all a favor and find one of those crawling creatures. they are getting invisible. Thanks for getting this site up and running again.. we appreciate your effort.
Name: Dr. Johnny Fever
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station: MSP
Date: Sunday February 27, 2005
Time: 06:46:02 PM
To: Dah Man(or is it da fag) Dist !49 disbanded, because the amfags were hoping they would make a run so that Mc(take the money and run)Cormick could blame the IAM for sabotaging negotiations. You remember DOH MAN the negotiations we have had since Oct. We are now just getting proposals to vote on ? A little late i'd say!!! Oh, yeah democracy , I forgot!!! But wait, we already TA'd stuff. How does that work? The IAM doesn't want to clean up the amfa mess. Why? Because there isn't a broom big enough!!! Didn't amfa PROMISE us observed negotiations? What a lie that was . Rates right up there with IRONCLAD farmout language, and IRONCLAD no layoff provisions!! DOPE MAN, don't even come on this site any more, it is clear if you had another brain it would be lonely, and we can't abide with fools like you any more!!What a f.....g Moron!!! The scary part is, that people still listen to theses morons. I heard today, that Delle is making another run at American. If this isn't an indictment on the ATA sponsoring company unions I don't know what is. American is bringing work back in house,. Why? because the TWU, with its political clout was able to convince the State of Oklahoma , and the Federal Gov't to invest in JOBS. Here at NWA, amfa just stomps its feet, and says," Boo Hoo, it's not fair that NWA is tearing down our hangar and farming out our jobs. If you at american think amfa can do better, look at their record, concession bargaining everywhere. What a joke!!! but remember this as the membership dwindles at NWA, and UAL, somebody has to pay for McCormick, Seeeham ,and Delle"s life style. What better company sponsored target than American Airlines!! See you fellow babies.
Name: watching the circus
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Sunday February 27, 2005
Time: 12:41:44 PM
Name: Prophead
Email:
Employer: UAL
Station: SFO
Date: Wednesday February 23, 2005
Time: 01:41:08 PM
Comments
Good to see you back up again. The celebratory comments by the AMFA crackheads at your presumed demise does illuminate their intolerant attitude to any opposition. Perhaps you should seek a different server to host your website?
Thanks for the note. This isn't the first time they've done this sort of thing. They used to jam up the server with large data files. That's why we had to limit the comments. It's funny, AMFA claimed to be the democratic Union but it's supporters act more like Nazi's.
No surprise who the AMFA supporters act like, they support the pretty far-right Administration in Washington from the get-go also. Remember the ecstatic letter from the prime AMFA true believer, not licensed, organizer here in Tulsa, to Dubya, back in 2000?
Name: Raptor
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Sunday February 27, 2005
Time: 07:40:36 AM
Let's ask the Teamsters or TWU to run a card drive at NWA for us. What do you all think about that?
Name: A Comment to our AMFA Negotiators
Email:
Employer:
Station:
Date: Saturday February 26, 2005
Time: 01:23:51 PM
You don't negotiate ANY thing that you want personally! YOU only negotiate for the proposals that this membership gives you! Do you get it? If we don't vote for it and give it the highest rating you don't try and get it. The low rating means we don't want it! For example, we don't want any more LINE maint language! They fucked over the entire system from ATL,MSP and Duluth. Enough of the pre-Madonna bull shit. This AMFA autonomy is great if you're a minority. Local 33 with thousands laid off is still paying for the Lions share of the costs of negotiations with a minority voice. AMFA SUCKS! What a piece of SHIT organization.
Name: Brent
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station: MSP
Date: Saturday February 26, 2005
Time: 01:14:02 PM
I am glad that Dist 149 was closed. I hope it never opens again. I didn't want a separate Dist in the first place. It was just the IAM's way of catering to the amfanuts. The lesson should of been learned by now. We're all better off when we negotiate and stand together. It was, is and will be "Strength in Numbers" always. As soon as you think you're better than someone else you've fallen into the trap. It's too bad that Dist 143 would never even want the Mechanics back and I don't blame them. I don't give second chances myself. You screw me over and it's over. You'll never get a second chance. The decision has been made by the IAM and they don't want the NWA Mechanics back. Can you blame them? AMFA gave the only thing a Union has, its work. If you are wondering if the writing is on the wall for NWA MCC, think about that for a few minutes, the IAM, has pulled the plug on the NWA Mechanics. GAME OVER!
Name: AMFA is T/Aing articles before we
Email: even voted on proposals.
Employer: Recall Mathews and Young
Station:
Date: Saturday February 26, 2005
Time: 01:04:13 PM
Jeff (Little Richard) (Can't we all get along) Mathews and Jim (I'm the consummate Professional) (They call me AMFA Jim) Young are simply corn holing their members. They're both unqualified for the positions they hold and are completely incompetent. can you imagine the laughs the NWA labor relations dept has behind closed doors about these two yahoo's? Jeff Mathews and Jim Young, a couple of do nothings......are these the professional negotiators AMFA promised? This is ridiculous.
Name: Observer
Email:
Employer:
Station: ORD
Date: Saturday February 26, 2005
Time: 10:52:36 AM
glad your site is back up and running. It is amazing to me that once you sip the Kool-Aid juice your thinking process is affected. The claims of the faithful of not believing that an attack took place, I compare with the loss of jobs at NWA, UAL, Alaska, no contract after how many years at Horizon, yet they believe......even at AA the believers still believe.......in what???? democracy.....observers at negotiations.......how about line AMT vs a Base AMT........who is going to be responsible for the million dollar debt......the loan given to whom, to raid AA? amfa local 4 in ORD is run by whom, and does that mean the minions at AA in ORD will be in local 4, a homogenous local patterned after of all unions.......the IAM? amfa is supposed to be raising up the AMT, why in the hell are they not out there in the hinter lands at 3 party MRO facilities, organizing.......because MRO's are the real threat to our livelihood, putting pressure on regulatory agencies for oversight...because amfa is after your buck my friend, after your dues money.......McC is a cash cow as the administrator......who oversees him........no one perhaps..........drink the juice, everything is rosy......and getting rosier..........
Name: Don't Blame Me, I Voted IAM!!!!
Email: amfa central west coast
Employer: UA Services
Station: SFO
Date: Friday February 25, 2005
Time: 10:36:25 PM
Hey Blue Dude, good to have you back!! Wow, you must be really getting to the morons if they will go to these measures to try and shut you down. No worries the faithful out west will be watching and listening for anyone running their big sucks!!!!!
Name: watin my turn
Email: mandown@lookinfor911.com
Employer: red tail
Station: mem
Date: Friday February 25, 2005
Time: 11:27:23 AM
I will have to attend at least one session in mem when the negoiators come here as I can not wait to see what mathews looks like at this point....(im thinking they tell him to wear a dress and makeup and he does it) so I will have to go and see just how bad it really is....
Name: NWA AMT
Email:
Employer: NWA
Station:
Date: Friday February 25, 2005
Time: 10:37:28 AM
You guys are pathetic. Did the AMFA attacker also erase all of your page backups from the server or your own PC. Why don't you just say you messed up and take it like a man, rather than be like a child and try to blame somebody else.
This site was not only broken into and deleted but the archives were
also damaged. Personally, I am one of several amfanators and I
don't have all the information backed up on my computer. As a
matter of fact, I always saved it right to the website. Nobody
here is claiming to be a professional webmaster. We're AMFA
Mechanics, we fix Airplanes not computers. We keep this site up
and running on a completely volunteer basis and we have NEVER begged our
readers for handouts like Dennis Sanderson at The-Mechanic.
Name: Don't go to Negotiations
Email: AMFA will blame you
Employer: nwa
Station:
Date: Friday February 25, 2005
Time: 10:20:13 AM
I want to encourage all NWA MCC employees to boycott negotiations! The only reason Mathews and Young want observers there is so they have someone to blame when this is all over. Can't you just hear them, "The members who attended negotiations were a great help", "You all had the opportunity to attend negotiations"......ect ect ect. I say don't go! Make AMFA responsible. Don't give them someone to blame. Finally, how can they be negotiating our contract and T/A articles before we've even voted on proposals? I don't even know what's on the table from all the stations yet! This is ludicrous!
Name: nwa'er
Email: nwa
Employer: nwa
Station:
Date: Thursday February 24, 2005
Time: 02:26:34 PM
Thanks to your staff for continuing your excellent work and letting us know the real
truth about amfa. You must have touched a 'raw truth' nerve at amfa headquarters
for them to find a person to attack your website. Remember though, integrity is on
your side, sooner or later what goes around will come around to haunt them. I only
wish they could suffer ten times more. Keep us truthfully informed - this is something amfa should learn about - -and keep up the excellent site.
work on this site.
Thank you. We're trying to piece the home page back together.
It might take a few more days. Unlike elected AMFA officials who
have all day to post their anti-Union rants on The-Mechanic, we have a
job. Thanks for your patience.
Name: Mike
Email:
Employer: the big and little u
Station: SFO
Date: Thursday February 24, 2005
Time: 02:44:23 AM
I think that testical man is a real nut-But hey he like to hang around a real dick and another nut next to the scamfa cesspool. Really now folks, I'm just trying to figure what scamfa's done for me. Nice to see you up and running BB-an' like me mother says to me (God rest her soul) "May the wicket (amfa) rot in the hell of there own makin'. I use to ask: "but Ma, de' bloody fools will drag me down with 'em?" "Aye" says she, that's why ye never let a fool or and Englishman into ye'r house."
